I think there should be cheats for the people wanting to check out the animations, trying to find a place, or wanting to see what is ate the end of the game. I also think there will be a button that goes to the debug room in the spawn locations menu.
Some of the cheats I recommend are:
-Full health
-Full clothes
-Reset [the] room (For when you might get stuck or used ammo unwisely)
-Reset [the] room with full resources
-[Go to] Cheat Room
Which brings me to my next suggestion, the Cheat Room! The cheat room will give you other, more special cheats like
-Full gallery
or
-Reset gallery
-Unlock gun[s]
And also adding upon that, I suggest a better gun later in the game (if you decide to expand upon it). Like a machine gun, or better yet, a shotgun!
The new update actually added an in-game console, so lucky you! There are only a few commands, but ammo, clothes, full gallery and reset gallery are there.
Will work on seeing if the other commands could be added.
For an alpha demo this is really fleshed out, not any detectable bugs in the actual play area of the game (I'm going to ignore the debug room because you're not supposed to play in it).
While this game will be great as a standard platformer, like Grimhelms Alien Quest Eve, with the atmosphere and the reactions of the aliens to enviromental factors such as the flashlight I could see it played out as an entire space station with more random alien placement rather than hard set with your story happening around the station rather than just farther into the level, and having to go to different portions to restock on magazines and repair your space suit, or even detox from the aliens to not get the game over and even to progress whatever story you are planning.
I love the idea of randomized placement. Unfortunately, with the way the game is structured, I don't think this can be added anytime soon. Although, I will consider this for the next game.
Still, glad you enjoyed it! (Also somewhat surprised you found the debug room if it's your first time playing.)
Great game! The concept has tons of potential and I'll be following development from here on because I'm excited to see where it goes.
My biggest critique is that it feels too easy. From what I can tell as a newcomer is that's because of improvements to things like i-frames and grappling. It sounds like it's gotten less frustrating, but that also took a lot of difficulty away as well. In a game where part of the fun is getting caught, it's a shame I had to fail on purpose or stay dressed. So I put some thought into why.
The grappling mini-game was too easy. Later on when the tentacles restrict movement during the grappling mini-game, that was hard enough that I felt I could win, but would probably still lose and it was great. Early on though there's little tension once you realize how easy it is to break free. Maybe if multiple enemies grapple you, it could make the minigame harder. Maybe it wouldn't feel like as much of an issue if the game was longer (which I assume it will be) since I can clearly see it does get harder, but as of now the easy beginning is most of the game.
To impose more challenge on myself, I tried doing a run where I let them win the mini-game every time they grapple me. I was surprised to find that that was also too easy. I was able to jump over almost every enemy. So even wasting ammo and getting caught in a bad position didn't really have a consequence. It would make more sense if taller enemies couldn't be jumped over without standing on something first, and only crawling enemies could be jumped over.
On my most recent run, I restricted myself to no jumping over enemies and no fighting out of grapples and it was probably the best one yet. It was punishing, but fair. Sure, I would get stuck in situations where damage would be unavoidable, but those situations were a result of poor positioning and ammo usage. And besides, losing is part of the fun. Yeah in the end I was caught in a death spiral so it's not ideal, but overall my favorite run.
Sorry if I sound like a try hard over an H game. It's just great to see something with promise and I hope this feedback is helpful!
- Agreed on the grapple mechanic. I plan on overhauling it a fair bit later on. If you have suggestions for it, I'd love to hear it!
- There has been a few requests for harder difficulty, and I'm still deciding if it's viable.
- No jumping is a neat idea. Maybe jumping leads to stamina drain? Although, I worry that the levels where you jump often will become annoying to traverse.
- Oh, and there was an idea for taller enemies, but that hasn't won any of the patron/discord votes, so there he stays in the cutting room void.
This is a genuinly shockingly well made game, even for an Alpha. It absolutely nails the scary atmosphere, the animations look very good and the gameplay itself even without the lewd stuff is fun and keeps you on your toes. Keep up the good work!
I actually ended up getting scared by a couple of enemies i wasnt expecting, i like it so far. I think the giant armored enemies are bugged as they never actually attacked?
Also i like the safe room music, thats Claire De Lune from evil within right?
That's not a glitch, you've entered a sort of gallery mode for the game, I think you can use space to summon whichever alien is whited out.There also maaaybeee a way to get out but I haven't said anything
Ok so this game is a pretty damn solid start. The atmosphere is bleak and spooky, the aliens are creepy gross and kinda terrifying, the gameplay itself is great (albiet with a few rough edges I'll go into), and the art is pretty solid. It was a legitimately heart-pounding and scary dive into an unforgiving abyss full of slimey rape-beast-plants....
As for rough edges, the jump is just too short for a few things that seem perfectly makeable (like when you activate stairs you can't quite jump to the platform from the second stair and you have to be on the very top stair), the grapple mechanic is a little hard to understand since it happens so bloody fast and what certain things mean are not explained BUT it can be figured out through a lot of brute force, the grapple mechanic happens so suddenly and with little warning or buffer that I will still have inputs from trying to move the character but I move her in the grapple game straight into a hazard and instantly lose, losing a grapple doesn't provide enough i-frames or anything to really avoid getting grappled again if there are more enemies, reloading the gun basically throws a few bullets away which I'm not sure if that's intended, the light-activated plants aren't properly signposted as invincible (like the armored pods are) and thus the first instinct to shoot at it ends up wasting like 2 clips of ammo, the light-sensitive plant also isn't super clear that light actually makes it aggressive at first (or maybe I'm stupid. Cause like, I saw the blinking light over it but it took me some time to realize the light affected the plant instead of the plant unpredictibly screeching at random), and the last unique plant thing right infront of the elevator that starts the credits is hard to avoid and jump over (I would walk into it's range a few times trying to get into the door and getting grappled by it puts you on the other side of it again. this might not've been an issue if I had sufficient ammo but I completely ran out at the end, ammo is sooo scarce)....
Anyways sorry for the lack of formatting and the massive wall of text. I really think this game has great potential and I really hope this feedback is helpful. I hope to see this game bloom into the game I think it can be.
No, thank you for the wall of text. I always enjoy reading these.
> the grapple mechanic is a little hard to understand
Yes, there needs to be a better tutorial. But at this stage, the focus is on adding more content. A better tutorial comes later. Thank you for bringing it up though.
> reloading the gun basically throws a few bullets away
Well, well. The update in 0.0.90 is exactly this. Reloading will now drop the magazine if there's still ammo.
> the light-activated plants aren't properly signposted as invincible
They aren't actually invincible, just really high health. They should probably be invincible though, now that I think about it. Nice catch.
> light-sensitive plant also isn't super clear that light actually makes it aggressive at first
Yeah, I had a problem designing enemies that signal the player they're light-sensitive. At least, not without breaking the style of the game.
> last unique plant thing right infront of the elevator
This one honestly needs a rework. It's very unclear what its gimmick is. ---- Thank you for writing! Always nice to read impressions.
In fact, feedback like this reminds what works and doesn't. You're helping make the game better just by giving impressions.
Light activated plants could glow in the dark. Theres already a bit of precedent for it as theres already a few plants that do that are light activated. That way you can see them before you aim your flashlight at them. And this way they can also provide cover for other enemies bc you can't see into the darkness without agroing the glowing ones
edit: which, i realize, is what you did originally. disregard, i'm an idiot :|
edit 2: might be part of a text-based tutorial, depending on how much story you plan on putting in the game. maybe a note from a character suggesting they don't like the light? might help dense folk like me pick up on the environmental cue on the first encounter
another idea might be to have the first encounter with light sensitive enemies signal it by forcing the player into a combat engagement.
i can picture it now, the first time encountering a light sensitive enemy there's a defective light that flickers on and off, enraging the enemy during the light and allowing it back to rest in the dark.
more like an environmental trap/simple puzzle than an enemy on the first encounter?
I think the most important points I mentioned were the ones you didn't have a reply to.
First, the need for a buffer between being grabbed and the grapple game actually beginning. Trying to run or jump away from something only for it to grab you and you immediately slam your icon into a hazard and instantly losing a grapple before you realize it even started feels really cheap.
Second, Ending a grapple (either by losing or winning (honestly it happens so fast it's hard to tell what's a win and what's a sort of neutral grapple)) and not having enough I-frames to escape multiple enemies is pretty rough. This problem is VASTLY magnified when trying to platform... I perfectly understand if you don't want it to be too easy, the difficulty adds to the eerie and terrifying tone. I'm merely pointing out that it could be a problem beyond just being hard.
I haven't played the update yet (and I might want to wait till after a few more updates, It depends on how I feel), but I have full confidence based on your responses to feedback that you are gonna keep at this and keep improving. I'm glad my feedback is useful, always a nice feeling knowing I've been heard and potentially helped smooth a promising game into a better direction with just a few words. Keep it up and remember to hydrate :)
Excuse me. I thought I mentioned this. I'm already implementing i-frames for the grapple-minigame icon.
Also, just double-checked and it seems the "i-frame timer after ending a grapple" got reset to 1 second instead of 1.6. I don't know when and why. Now reverted to 1.6 secs (or 2 secs. I'll see.)
As long as there arent any overtly complicated mechanics being added in the future, I think a tutorial beyond the controls isnt really needed. It adds to the feeling of being literally dropped into an alien and hostile environment.
I hate to say it but, frankly, I do wish this was a 'proper' sci-fi survival horror adventure (cinematic) platformer instead of (yet another) vessel for porn content.
Honestly, ye old "have to let em catch me to lose clothes before getting fucked" formula was never that good of a mechanic, even back when ToonPimp introduced the concept… Including a mini-game won't fix much.
So yeah, considering the artstyle and theme in general, as well as how the combat state and lighting behave, I can see the potential. Believe it or not, there aren't that many games in the genre. Some level design, movement animation, better gunplay - a lot that can be done on the UX front if the focus was shifted. Sex sells, but so do well-made video games.
Each to their own, I suppose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Good luck, anywise.
> "have to let em catch me to lose clothes before getting fucked" formula was never that good of a mechanic.
I feel the same way. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of precedence for mixing porn and gameplay that doesn't ruin flow for either. If there were, I'd use that mechanic in a heartbeat.
But as of right now (as far as I can see), there is none.
Might as well take the existing formula and give it my own spin.
(I'd love to know a game that mixes lewd and game well, though.)
> I feel the same way. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of precedence for mixing porn and gameplay that doesn't ruin flow for either. But as of right now (as far as I can see), there is none.
Well… In the context of current design, you can't have your cake and eat it: either players get to progress, or – see porno content. To the best of my knowledge, you cannot marry two fundamentally opposite game goals into a functional loop. i.e. A ‘run and gun’ style of gameplay where the player’s trying to avoid losing to enemies, and a ‘desirable loss’ state which encourages staying completely passive while getting (literally) fucked.
Frankly, it all comes down to what you, as the dev, want to achieve. Going out on a limb here, but doing this as a hobby, artistic expression, or even extra income, please don’t mind my wishful thinking. People obviously do want the porn, and they don’t care much about loops, MDA theory and UX stuff - I'm in the minority there. Instead have fun while picking up some experience along the way.
Heck, go ultra-silly! Give the audience even more reasons to want to ‘do it’ with the aliens…
Otherwise, may be you'd want to try some genre subversion. Like controlling the monsters against the character, à la reverse-horror games do, etc.
> I'd love to know a game that mixes lewd and game well, though
Gonna go off on a tangent first, so bear with me.
The availability of impactful mechanics in sex-games depend a lot on the game’s genre. As porn is meant to fulfil sexual fantasy scenarios and provide quick gratification, most smut experiences either focus on shorter play-times and simple, nonintrusive mechanics (e.g. casual, point&click, social), or have a lot of easily accessible and various lewd content (e.g. visual novels, dating sims, freeplay).
Games that delve more into narrative-design ultimately outgrow the pornography and turn to either exploring eroticism, sexual themes, or other, more grown-up stuff. Ze old ‘came for the porn, stayed for the story’ jazz.
All that said, off the top of my head, I do have are some suggestions of games (that are not pure visual novels, dating sims, or mini-games) that implemented sex-mechanics in 'interesting' ways:
- ‘Corruption of Champions’ makes the top of the list, as the body-modification mechanics, in addition to allowing combat customization and personalising the descriptions, (dis)allow certain sexual interactions depending on what tools the player possessed. Plus, the modded versions of the game have sooo much content ‘tis really hard not to be impressed.
- ‘Breeding Season’ was, before its downfall, the highest earning adult game on Patreon. I suppose people really wanted a well-drawn, animated, match-making, stats-management game about monster-hybrid husbandry. UI had a lot of issues, and tech-wise it got worse with every revision, but in case you’re curious how to run a promising project into the ground and still have an audience…
- ‘Tales of Androgyny’, for the time being, also suffers from the ‘desirable loss’ problem, but it’s the only porn game I know of that uses an RP combo system to allow setting-up certain (sexual) actions depending on the character’s stance and state of being. So there’s food for thought.
- ‘Rack 2’ is pretty darn impressive as far as visualization of lewd activities is concerned. Paired with the amounts of allowed customization, and the way it blends simple mechanics into more complex sexual interactions, it is a very promising adult freeplay game. Has some performance issues and bugs atm thou.
- ‘House of Tail’ is a game about managing a brothel. There are many of these out there, but somehow this one left the best impression, probably cause of the clean UI, or smtn. The porn element isn't as accented as the other ones I've listed. It's more about the theme, really.
- ‘My Very Own Lith’ starts off as a lewd digital pet game but, since its creator is a writer, things can get rather subversive depending on the players actions. Good example how writing can exploit basic mechanics.
So… there, I guess? Hopefully you'll find at least some of this useful. I'm all ears in case you need any more comment.
edit: clarity, fluency, formatting, spelling - work is never done.
> either players get to progress, or – see porno content.
Yep. What I'm struggling, design-wise: Connoting lewd scenes to progression (without throw-away* content.)
This is actually the purpose of the cinema tapes. Rewards for just exploring. (Although, I feel this reward method is archaic. It's also weird if you haven't let her get boned. Also somewhat throw-away*.)
*throw-away - lewd scenes shown once, then never brought up again. It always leaves a feeling of wanting more, and leads to project scaling problems.
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> People obviously do want the porn, and they don’t care much about loops, MDA theory and UX stuff.
Absolutely. At the same time, I want a 2D shooting game with a specific reload mechanic, and I don't see it anywhere, porn or not. So I'm making it, and I'm so happy with how the shooting feels now. (Of course, needs improvement.)
> - I'm in the minority there.
Same.
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>Otherwise, may be you'd want to try some genre subversion. Like controlling the monsters against the character, à la reverse-horror games do, etc.
Like Carrion? I love this idea. This was one of the first ideas before DiBS, until I realized how much assets I'd need to make. Then I promptly walked back from the idea. Project scale is something I'd want to manage. Still, I'd like to play this game.
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From games you mentioned (and my personal observations of other games), I've noticed people really like story in their porn.
Actually, no. It's context. And that's something DiBS simply doesn't do at all.
DiBS is a "tourist-sightseeing" game with no dialogue whatsoever, and I feel this is holding the game back. (That, and the fact this is furry with tentacles lol.)
I don't think DiBS needs dialogue, but it does need explicit context. Random logs and journals would do a lot to legitimize the world and the experience. It's something I'd want to do later in development.
I've had this in the back of my head, but it's nice to legitimately write this down.
--- Anyway, thank you. Been insightful. It's also just nice to talk about what can be better for the game (or the next one).
i really loved a few implementations of Divine Arms, but the creator seems to be caught up in one thing or another, so as far as i know there's been no development on that game.
i loved its system of gameplay meets porn, where you could resist a "sex attack" similar to your grapple mechanic but with the typical button masher/point and clicker to prevent damage, or indulge in the "sex attack" voluntarily to take damage but gain damage buffs.
still didn't like the idea that you had to wait for an enemy AI to choose its "sex attack" instead of a regular attack, but i think it might be an interesting combination with your grapple mechanic? choose to resist, or choose to indulge by picking one of two "termination nodes" where if you just reach the cursor to the escape node, you escape as is in the current game, or to the "indulge node" where you can either take no damage or trade damage for a buff?
another idea i just had, mix the clothing/HP with a mechanical tradeoff, maybe the less armor you have, the harder it is to resist a grapple but the faster your stamina recharges, and alternatively/additionally you reload your pistol faster/move faster? i imagine if i was a little lady trapped in an infested station of tentacles, naked and afraid, i'd be pretty panicked and run a hell of a lot faster than when fully armored.
the last idea being that you could intentionally trade armor for buffs so that you can be instantly undressed in one grapple in favor of nude buffs(admittedly paired with debuffs so it's high risk+high reward)
It's less about talent, and more about skills that have been developed over many years. This is a common misconception I've seen around many types of creators. I can guarantee that if you put in the time and effort to learn the skills you're seeking, you will eventually be able to do so at a level you're happy with. If it's something you really want to do, you have the power to do so! <3
In the meantime, don't worry about comparing yourself. Because anything you can make currently is absolutely wonderful and perfect <3
Literally made an account just to comment here and I wanted to say that for a prototype that this looks amazing! graphics are nice and the controls aren't to hard to get the hang of although I would just like to say that my current... Gripes are that the enemies tend to move a bit faster than expected which makes shooting a hassle, especially when there is a group of enemies (btw, multiple enemies on player character when? lol). Perhaps a hip fire option instead of aiming to shoot? Would definitely help when enemies are right on you, also would be nice to have a bit longer of a respawn cooldown. Other than those the game is wonderful and I can't wait to see it further progress!
Thank you for the suggestions! I don't think there would be multiple enemies or hipfire, sadly. Although, there will be a new enemy this coming June, so watch out for that.
That's a bit of a bummer hip fire won't be a thing I'll admit but I just suppose that just makes things more challenging, also understandable that multiple enemy H scenes probably won't be thing seeing as that's a lot of work. Either way, will definitely keep an eye out for that new enemy when it comes!
I know it probably wouldn't happen but is it at all possible to make an android port for the game? could use a simple ui for movement and aiming at first.
maybe when your done with making the base game this is a hard mode, your suit offers no protection so they just rip off/through 2 parts of the suit and get right to the action if you fail to kill or escape
you could then also have a medium mode where the suit will protect you once but the underwear offers no protection
hell you could even say rather then difficulty you have the game ask "how strong you want the tentacles?" with Normal, Stronger and Strongest as the options
Absolutely loving that pre alpha demo. Great mix of horror and nsfw goodness! Hope the horror elements carry through in development, escaping game over room was exhilarating in ways I've never seen from a porn game. Wish I could aim and move at the same time though, really let me get my nerves on edge as I shuffle down a corridor with the flashlight out. Creates more opportunities for sneakier enemies like the kobold too. Games got some serious atmosphere, enough I made an account just to post this.
Gonna be one hell of a good game through and through. Immensly impressed! Never did figure out the grapple game though.
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Oh, it's using the Godot engine.
I think there should be cheats for the people wanting to check out the animations, trying to find a place, or wanting to see what is ate the end of the game. I also think there will be a button that goes to the debug room in the spawn locations menu.
Some of the cheats I recommend are:
-Full health
-Full clothes
-Reset [the] room (For when you might get stuck or used ammo unwisely)
-Reset [the] room with full resources
-[Go to] Cheat Room
Which brings me to my next suggestion, the Cheat Room! The cheat room will give you other, more special cheats like
-Full gallery
or
-Reset gallery
-Unlock gun[s]
And also adding upon that, I suggest a better gun later in the game (if you decide to expand upon it). Like a machine gun, or better yet, a shotgun!
what are your opinions on this?
The new update actually added an in-game console, so lucky you! There are only a few commands, but ammo, clothes, full gallery and reset gallery are there.
Will work on seeing if the other commands could be added.
thank you for listening to my suggestions
For an alpha demo this is really fleshed out, not any detectable bugs in the actual play area of the game (I'm going to ignore the debug room because you're not supposed to play in it).
While this game will be great as a standard platformer, like Grimhelms Alien Quest Eve, with the atmosphere and the reactions of the aliens to enviromental factors such as the flashlight I could see it played out as an entire space station with more random alien placement rather than hard set with your story happening around the station rather than just farther into the level, and having to go to different portions to restock on magazines and repair your space suit, or even detox from the aliens to not get the game over and even to progress whatever story you are planning.
I love the idea of randomized placement. Unfortunately, with the way the game is structured, I don't think this can be added anytime soon. Although, I will consider this for the next game.
Still, glad you enjoyed it! (Also somewhat surprised you found the debug room if it's your first time playing.)
Great game! The concept has tons of potential and I'll be following development from here on because I'm excited to see where it goes.
My biggest critique is that it feels too easy. From what I can tell as a newcomer is that's because of improvements to things like i-frames and grappling. It sounds like it's gotten less frustrating, but that also took a lot of difficulty away as well. In a game where part of the fun is getting caught, it's a shame I had to fail on purpose or stay dressed. So I put some thought into why.
The grappling mini-game was too easy. Later on when the tentacles restrict movement during the grappling mini-game, that was hard enough that I felt I could win, but would probably still lose and it was great. Early on though there's little tension once you realize how easy it is to break free. Maybe if multiple enemies grapple you, it could make the minigame harder. Maybe it wouldn't feel like as much of an issue if the game was longer (which I assume it will be) since I can clearly see it does get harder, but as of now the easy beginning is most of the game.
To impose more challenge on myself, I tried doing a run where I let them win the mini-game every time they grapple me. I was surprised to find that that was also too easy. I was able to jump over almost every enemy. So even wasting ammo and getting caught in a bad position didn't really have a consequence. It would make more sense if taller enemies couldn't be jumped over without standing on something first, and only crawling enemies could be jumped over.
On my most recent run, I restricted myself to no jumping over enemies and no fighting out of grapples and it was probably the best one yet. It was punishing, but fair. Sure, I would get stuck in situations where damage would be unavoidable, but those situations were a result of poor positioning and ammo usage. And besides, losing is part of the fun. Yeah in the end I was caught in a death spiral so it's not ideal, but overall my favorite run.
Sorry if I sound like a try hard over an H game. It's just great to see something with promise and I hope this feedback is helpful!
Thank you for the feedback!
- Agreed on the grapple mechanic. I plan on overhauling it a fair bit later on. If you have suggestions for it, I'd love to hear it!
- There has been a few requests for harder difficulty, and I'm still deciding if it's viable.
- No jumping is a neat idea. Maybe jumping leads to stamina drain? Although, I worry that the levels where you jump often will become annoying to traverse.
- Oh, and there was an idea for taller enemies, but that hasn't won any of the patron/discord votes, so there he stays in the cutting room void.
Anyway, am glad you enjoyed the game!
This is a genuinly shockingly well made game, even for an Alpha. It absolutely nails the scary atmosphere, the animations look very good and the gameplay itself even without the lewd stuff is fun and keeps you on your toes. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! Real glad you enjoyed the game.
I actually ended up getting scared by a couple of enemies i wasnt expecting, i like it so far. I think the giant armored enemies are bugged as they never actually attacked?
Also i like the safe room music, thats Claire De Lune from evil within right?
- Oh, they aren't supposed to attack (unless you shoot the head).
- Yep, but not specifically from Evil Within.
Oh that clears things up, and yeah i recognized the track, it was a nice choice
btw, what do you do with the tapes?
and i also think there should be a "exit to main menu" button soon
Sure. Added to to-do list.
The tape is used in the place called "YMAX."
and where is that
btw there is a glitch in the game where when you "die", there are whited out aliens to the right of the screen.
That's not a glitch, you've entered a sort of gallery mode for the game, I think you can use space to summon whichever alien is whited out.
There also maaaybeee a way to get out but I haven't said anythingHow do you change the alien bc i only ever get one
press up and down to cycle through enemies you have encountered
i got so fucking jumpscared by the floor falling bruh
it will be cool if u add an option to change your sex in the game
I wish you can masterbate in the game by pressing a certain button
im having trouble finding the koubold and the other cinema tape, ive found the one in the mall, could you tell me where i can find either of these?
You can find the koubold and the tape in the debug room. Just jump over the floor that breaks and you'll see the debug room.
ok thanks
Is there a way to get to the debug room without starting the game over?
I didn't find it tbh but its ok! I might find it next time...
Ok so this game is a pretty damn solid start. The atmosphere is bleak and spooky, the aliens are creepy gross and kinda terrifying, the gameplay itself is great (albiet with a few rough edges I'll go into), and the art is pretty solid. It was a legitimately heart-pounding and scary dive into an unforgiving abyss full of slimey rape-beast-plants....
As for rough edges, the jump is just too short for a few things that seem perfectly makeable (like when you activate stairs you can't quite jump to the platform from the second stair and you have to be on the very top stair), the grapple mechanic is a little hard to understand since it happens so bloody fast and what certain things mean are not explained BUT it can be figured out through a lot of brute force, the grapple mechanic happens so suddenly and with little warning or buffer that I will still have inputs from trying to move the character but I move her in the grapple game straight into a hazard and instantly lose, losing a grapple doesn't provide enough i-frames or anything to really avoid getting grappled again if there are more enemies, reloading the gun basically throws a few bullets away which I'm not sure if that's intended, the light-activated plants aren't properly signposted as invincible (like the armored pods are) and thus the first instinct to shoot at it ends up wasting like 2 clips of ammo, the light-sensitive plant also isn't super clear that light actually makes it aggressive at first (or maybe I'm stupid. Cause like, I saw the blinking light over it but it took me some time to realize the light affected the plant instead of the plant unpredictibly screeching at random), and the last unique plant thing right infront of the elevator that starts the credits is hard to avoid and jump over (I would walk into it's range a few times trying to get into the door and getting grappled by it puts you on the other side of it again. this might not've been an issue if I had sufficient ammo but I completely ran out at the end, ammo is sooo scarce)....
Anyways sorry for the lack of formatting and the massive wall of text. I really think this game has great potential and I really hope this feedback is helpful. I hope to see this game bloom into the game I think it can be.
No, thank you for the wall of text. I always enjoy reading these.
> the grapple mechanic is a little hard to understand
Yes, there needs to be a better tutorial. But at this stage, the focus is on adding more content. A better tutorial comes later. Thank you for bringing it up though.
> reloading the gun basically throws a few bullets away
Well, well. The update in 0.0.90 is exactly this. Reloading will now drop the magazine if there's still ammo.
> the light-activated plants aren't properly signposted as invincible
They aren't actually invincible, just really high health. They should probably be invincible though, now that I think about it. Nice catch.
> light-sensitive plant also isn't super clear that light actually makes it aggressive at first
Yeah, I had a problem designing enemies that signal the player they're light-sensitive. At least, not without breaking the style of the game.
> last unique plant thing right infront of the elevator
This one honestly needs a rework. It's very unclear what its gimmick is.
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Thank you for writing! Always nice to read impressions.
In fact, feedback like this reminds what works and doesn't. You're helping make the game better just by giving impressions.
(PS. new update released.)
Light activated plants could glow in the dark. Theres already a bit of precedent for it as theres already a few plants that do that are light activated. That way you can see them before you aim your flashlight at them. And this way they can also provide cover for other enemies bc you can't see into the darkness without agroing the glowing ones
I like the glow in the dark idea. I'm just worried it'll impact performance.
Still, I'll see if it's feasible. Great suggestion!
edit: which, i realize, is what you did originally. disregard, i'm an idiot :|
edit 2: might be part of a text-based tutorial, depending on how much story you plan on putting in the game. maybe a note from a character suggesting they don't like the light? might help dense folk like me pick up on the environmental cue on the first encounter
another idea might be to have the first encounter with light sensitive enemies signal it by forcing the player into a combat engagement.
i can picture it now, the first time encountering a light sensitive enemy there's a defective light that flickers on and off, enraging the enemy during the light and allowing it back to rest in the dark.
more like an environmental trap/simple puzzle than an enemy on the first encounter?
I think the most important points I mentioned were the ones you didn't have a reply to.
First, the need for a buffer between being grabbed and the grapple game actually beginning. Trying to run or jump away from something only for it to grab you and you immediately slam your icon into a hazard and instantly losing a grapple before you realize it even started feels really cheap.
Second, Ending a grapple (either by losing or winning (honestly it happens so fast it's hard to tell what's a win and what's a sort of neutral grapple)) and not having enough I-frames to escape multiple enemies is pretty rough. This problem is VASTLY magnified when trying to platform... I perfectly understand if you don't want it to be too easy, the difficulty adds to the eerie and terrifying tone. I'm merely pointing out that it could be a problem beyond just being hard.
I haven't played the update yet (and I might want to wait till after a few more updates, It depends on how I feel), but I have full confidence based on your responses to feedback that you are gonna keep at this and keep improving. I'm glad my feedback is useful, always a nice feeling knowing I've been heard and potentially helped smooth a promising game into a better direction with just a few words. Keep it up and remember to hydrate :)
Excuse me. I thought I mentioned this. I'm already implementing i-frames for the grapple-minigame icon.
Also, just double-checked and it seems the "i-frame timer after ending a grapple" got reset to 1 second instead of 1.6. I don't know when and why. Now reverted to 1.6 secs (or 2 secs. I'll see.)
These changes should be in the next, next update.
Thanks for the catch!
As long as there arent any overtly complicated mechanics being added in the future, I think a tutorial beyond the controls isnt really needed. It adds to the feeling of being literally dropped into an alien and hostile environment.
The floor at the start? Didn't see it coming.
I hate to say it but, frankly, I do wish this was a 'proper' sci-fi survival horror adventure (cinematic) platformer instead of (yet another) vessel for porn content.
Honestly, ye old "have to let em catch me to lose clothes before getting fucked" formula was never that good of a mechanic, even back when ToonPimp introduced the concept… Including a mini-game won't fix much.
So yeah, considering the artstyle and theme in general, as well as how the combat state and lighting behave, I can see the potential. Believe it or not, there aren't that many games in the genre. Some level design, movement animation, better gunplay - a lot that can be done on the UX front if the focus was shifted. Sex sells, but so do well-made video games.
Each to their own, I suppose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Good luck, anywise.
> "have to let em catch me to lose clothes before getting fucked" formula was never that good of a mechanic.
I feel the same way. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of precedence for mixing porn and gameplay that doesn't ruin flow for either. If there were, I'd use that mechanic in a heartbeat.
But as of right now (as far as I can see), there is none.
Might as well take the existing formula and give it my own spin.
(I'd love to know a game that mixes lewd and game well, though.)
Huh. Not the reply I expected, actually.
> I feel the same way. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of precedence for mixing porn and gameplay that doesn't ruin flow for either. But as of right now (as far as I can see), there is none.
Well… In the context of current design, you can't have your cake and eat it: either players get to progress, or – see porno content. To the best of my knowledge, you cannot marry two fundamentally opposite game goals into a functional loop. i.e. A ‘run and gun’ style of gameplay where the player’s trying to avoid losing to enemies, and a ‘desirable loss’ state which encourages staying completely passive while getting (literally) fucked.
Frankly, it all comes down to what you, as the dev, want to achieve. Going out on a limb here, but doing this as a hobby, artistic expression, or even extra income, please don’t mind my wishful thinking. People obviously do want the porn, and they don’t care much about loops, MDA theory and UX stuff - I'm in the minority there. Instead have fun while picking up some experience along the way.
Heck, go ultra-silly! Give the audience even more reasons to want to ‘do it’ with the aliens…
Otherwise, may be you'd want to try some genre subversion. Like controlling the monsters against the character, à la reverse-horror games do, etc.
> I'd love to know a game that mixes lewd and game well, though
Gonna go off on a tangent first, so bear with me.
The availability of impactful mechanics in sex-games depend a lot on the game’s genre. As porn is meant to fulfil sexual fantasy scenarios and provide quick gratification, most smut experiences either focus on shorter play-times and simple, nonintrusive mechanics (e.g. casual, point&click, social), or have a lot of easily accessible and various lewd content (e.g. visual novels, dating sims, freeplay).
Games that delve more into narrative-design ultimately outgrow the pornography and turn to either exploring eroticism, sexual themes, or other, more grown-up stuff. Ze old ‘came for the porn, stayed for the story’ jazz.
All that said, off the top of my head, I do have are some suggestions of games (that are not pure visual novels, dating sims, or mini-games) that implemented sex-mechanics in 'interesting' ways:
- ‘Corruption of Champions’ makes the top of the list, as the body-modification mechanics, in addition to allowing combat customization and personalising the descriptions, (dis)allow certain sexual interactions depending on what tools the player possessed. Plus, the modded versions of the game have sooo much content ‘tis really hard not to be impressed.
- ‘Breeding Season’ was, before its downfall, the highest earning adult game on Patreon. I suppose people really wanted a well-drawn, animated, match-making, stats-management game about monster-hybrid husbandry. UI had a lot of issues, and tech-wise it got worse with every revision, but in case you’re curious how to run a promising project into the ground and still have an audience…
- ‘Tales of Androgyny’, for the time being, also suffers from the ‘desirable loss’ problem, but it’s the only porn game I know of that uses an RP combo system to allow setting-up certain (sexual) actions depending on the character’s stance and state of being. So there’s food for thought.
- ‘Rack 2’ is pretty darn impressive as far as visualization of lewd activities is concerned. Paired with the amounts of allowed customization, and the way it blends simple mechanics into more complex sexual interactions, it is a very promising adult freeplay game. Has some performance issues and bugs atm thou.
- ‘House of Tail’ is a game about managing a brothel. There are many of these out there, but somehow this one left the best impression, probably cause of the clean UI, or smtn. The porn element isn't as accented as the other ones I've listed. It's more about the theme, really.
- ‘My Very Own Lith’ starts off as a lewd digital pet game but, since its creator is a writer, things can get rather subversive depending on the players actions. Good example how writing can exploit basic mechanics.
So… there, I guess?
Hopefully you'll find at least some of this useful.
I'm all ears in case you need any more comment.
edit: clarity, fluency, formatting, spelling - work is never done.
Hey, sorry for the late reply!
> either players get to progress, or – see porno content.
Yep. What I'm struggling, design-wise: Connoting lewd scenes to progression (without throw-away* content.)
This is actually the purpose of the cinema tapes. Rewards for just exploring. (Although, I feel this reward method is archaic. It's also weird if you haven't let her get boned. Also somewhat throw-away*.)
*throw-away - lewd scenes shown once, then never brought up again. It always leaves a feeling of wanting more, and leads to project scaling problems.
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> People obviously do want the porn, and they don’t care much about loops, MDA theory and UX stuff.
Absolutely. At the same time, I want a 2D shooting game with a specific reload mechanic, and I don't see it anywhere, porn or not. So I'm making it, and I'm so happy with how the shooting feels now. (Of course, needs improvement.)
> - I'm in the minority there.
Same.
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> Otherwise, may be you'd want to try some genre subversion. Like controlling the monsters against the character, à la reverse-horror games do, etc.
Like Carrion? I love this idea. This was one of the first ideas before DiBS, until I realized how much assets I'd need to make. Then I promptly walked back from the idea. Project scale is something I'd want to manage. Still, I'd like to play this game.
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From games you mentioned (and my personal observations of other games), I've noticed people really like story in their porn.
Actually, no. It's context. And that's something DiBS simply doesn't do at all.
DiBS is a "tourist-sightseeing" game with no dialogue whatsoever, and I feel this is holding the game back. (That, and the fact this is furry with tentacles lol.)
I don't think DiBS needs dialogue, but it does need explicit context. Random logs and journals would do a lot to legitimize the world and the experience. It's something I'd want to do later in development.
I've had this in the back of my head, but it's nice to legitimately write this down.
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Anyway, thank you. Been insightful. It's also just nice to talk about what can be better for the game (or the next one).
Edit: Typo, different opening, and clarity.
i really loved a few implementations of Divine Arms, but the creator seems to be caught up in one thing or another, so as far as i know there's been no development on that game.
i loved its system of gameplay meets porn, where you could resist a "sex attack" similar to your grapple mechanic but with the typical button masher/point and clicker to prevent damage, or indulge in the "sex attack" voluntarily to take damage but gain damage buffs.
still didn't like the idea that you had to wait for an enemy AI to choose its "sex attack" instead of a regular attack, but i think it might be an interesting combination with your grapple mechanic? choose to resist, or choose to indulge by picking one of two "termination nodes" where if you just reach the cursor to the escape node, you escape as is in the current game, or to the "indulge node" where you can either take no damage or trade damage for a buff?
another idea i just had, mix the clothing/HP with a mechanical tradeoff, maybe the less armor you have, the harder it is to resist a grapple but the faster your stamina recharges, and alternatively/additionally you reload your pistol faster/move faster? i imagine if i was a little lady trapped in an infested station of tentacles, naked and afraid, i'd be pretty panicked and run a hell of a lot faster than when fully armored.
the last idea being that you could intentionally trade armor for buffs so that you can be instantly undressed in one grapple in favor of nude buffs(admittedly paired with debuffs so it's high risk+high reward)
Will there be an android version or one that work with joiplay
Sorry. Unfortunately, there won't be an Android version. I'm not even sure if the game can even run on mobile.
This is amazing, I'm considering supporting the patron I just want updates, it's fun and it has real good sex scenes (my opinion)
Thank you! A new update just got released as well. Nothing much. Just a few new enemies.
Will there be android
Sorry. There won't be an Android version. I'm not even sure if it can even run on mobile, since even older machines lag the game.
What aversion that can run on joiplayor wine
The game can't run on joiplay, I'm afraid.
Ok
I'm not sure if anyone asked this before but
is this game going to have a windows 32 bits version?
i think it will be great if u can change ur gender in the game
Maybe some really, really "unfortunate" breeeding? :D Some Alien vibes here ^^
i second this, also i love that this game doesn't necessarily have a "fail state," just a "oops, you're a toy until you can escape" state <3
It's less about talent, and more about skills that have been developed over many years. This is a common misconception I've seen around many types of creators. I can guarantee that if you put in the time and effort to learn the skills you're seeking, you will eventually be able to do so at a level you're happy with. If it's something you really want to do, you have the power to do so! <3
In the meantime, don't worry about comparing yourself. Because anything you can make currently is absolutely wonderful and perfect <3
Literally made an account just to comment here and I wanted to say that for a prototype that this looks amazing! graphics are nice and the controls aren't to hard to get the hang of although I would just like to say that my current... Gripes are that the enemies tend to move a bit faster than expected which makes shooting a hassle, especially when there is a group of enemies (btw, multiple enemies on player character when? lol). Perhaps a hip fire option instead of aiming to shoot? Would definitely help when enemies are right on you, also would be nice to have a bit longer of a respawn cooldown. Other than those the game is wonderful and I can't wait to see it further progress!
Thank you for the suggestions! I don't think there would be multiple enemies or hipfire, sadly. Although, there will be a new enemy this coming June, so watch out for that.
That's a bit of a bummer hip fire won't be a thing I'll admit but I just suppose that just makes things more challenging, also understandable that multiple enemy H scenes probably won't be thing seeing as that's a lot of work. Either way, will definitely keep an eye out for that new enemy when it comes!
I know it probably wouldn't happen but is it at all possible to make an android port for the game? could use a simple ui for movement and aiming at first.
Sorry, no android port. I'm not even sure if this would run on mobile.
Hey, sorry to bother BUT....
I would really appreaciate some animations to be with her still in the suit.
Like because its really hot
so yea would be nice but like doesn't have to
animations still great so...
yea
thanks ;P
That was initially the first build, but I don't think there can be both suit and naked versions. Too taxing on time.
maybe when your done with making the base game this is a hard mode, your suit offers no protection so they just rip off/through 2 parts of the suit and get right to the action if you fail to kill or escape
you could then also have a medium mode where the suit will protect you once but the underwear offers no protection
hell you could even say rather then difficulty you have the game ask "how strong you want the tentacles?" with Normal, Stronger and Strongest as the options
im also trying to install the windows version but it says an error occurred cannot read property 'build' of undefined
Can you show me a picture of the error?
sorry it took me so long kinda went and did something else after posting this
Huh. Is this windows or linux?
EDIT: Wait. This is the itch application?EDIT EDIT: Fixed. https://itch.io/t/1150391/cannot-read-property-build-of-undefined-possible-solut...
So didn't think setting that the platform mattered, but it did. :\
Also didn't know there was an itch app, so this was a surprise.
yep its fixed now thanks!
No problem
i really want to play this but it wont let me download :c
What version are you trying to download?
Windows Version
i pressed h...... 10/10
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Added to Horny Folder!
on my pc the team fortress 2, which is a 9 gb game, works perfectly, and this game doesn’t even have 100 MB running with crashes.
My pc is weak and the dollar here in Brazil is high, with 1 dollar to buy an entire house,
so I don’t have the money to buy a new video card, so it’s better to play at 5 fps.
On my pc it only works on windows 7, now on Manjaro only the error opengl, I think my pc's components are out of date because I'm still on 775.
And I'm sorry my English, I'm Brazilian and I'm using the Google translator.
hug and a good development :)
Heads up !!! I don't like furry. I was just testing the game.
Thanks for Heads up !!!
sou br tbm :>
выкати обнову
make a chromebook one
I am playing it on chromebook you need linux
Chromebook is Linux :D
We need android version!:D maybe somewhen :p
I don't think the controls work with android (or if the game can even run on mobile)
Meh, kinda sad thing:c
Cuz there are not many platformers for android ... uh, generally i know only one:р
noice
can't wait for even more updates! +1
Controls FUCKING SUCKS
are you thinking about make a 32 bits version?
Yeup. Don't know when that'll be, but probably when there is enough content.
how do i insall it if the downloads a zip im new to the zip
No need to install! Just extract it and double click the .exe
Absolutely loving that pre alpha demo. Great mix of horror and nsfw goodness! Hope the horror elements carry through in development, escaping game over room was exhilarating in ways I've never seen from a porn game. Wish I could aim and move at the same time though, really let me get my nerves on edge as I shuffle down a corridor with the flashlight out. Creates more opportunities for sneakier enemies like the kobold too. Games got some serious atmosphere, enough I made an account just to post this.
Gonna be one hell of a good game through and through. Immensly impressed! Never did figure out the grapple game though.
how do i download using linux i am very new to linux and i only know how to use zip files but not tar.gz if any one can help me i would appreciate it
Hey! I'm assuming you already found out. If you haven't, here you go.
Source: https://itsfoss.com/unzip-linux/
Oh, and welcome to linux!
thank you this helps a ton :)